Christie Pitts, general partner at Backstage Capital, shares a hope to raise kids that she'll be proud of and people that she’s proud to know when they're adults.
Jelani talks with Christie Pitts, general partner at Backstage Capital.
Christie is an incredible VC, investing specifically in companies led by underrepresented founders. That's women, people of color, and LGBTQ folks.
She's also a mother of two. And Jelani and Christie get into the societal expectations of mothers who work. They talk about the fact that no matter how much mothers juggle, they can never quite hit that imaginary bar that society puts on them.
Christie also helps Jelani investigate his own shortcomings managing the household with my wife. She also shares some tips on how to begin dismantling the evidence of sexism and patriarchy that we see around us everyday. They explore how Christie navigates the male-dominated industry that is VC, and how she hopes her kids grow up to believe they can belong anywhere.
Christie is actually an investor in the company that makes this podcast, A Kids Co. So that kind of makes Christie Jelani’s boss. Honestly, after this interview, we couldn't think of a better boss to have.
All right, Christy Pitts. Let's get into it.
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Better Grownups
S1E03, Mothers at Work with Christie Pitts
[INTRODUCTION]
Jelani: Hey. Welcome to Better Grownups. I'm Jelani Memory, founder of A Kids Co. And this is a parenting podcast all about how to be a better grownup.
This week, I'm chatting with Christie Pitts, general partner at Backstage Capital. She's an incredible VC, investing specifically in companies led by underrepresented founders. That's women, people of color, and LGBTQ folks.
She's also a mother of two. And we get into the expectations of mothers who work and that somehow they're not only supposed to, I don't know, manage the entire household, get the job done at work and do it all perfectly. We talk about the fact that no matter how much mothers juggle, they can never quite hit that imaginary bar that society puts on them.
Christie also helps me investigate my own shortcomings, managing my household with my wife. And some tips on how to begin dismantling sexism and patriarchy that we see around us everyday. We also explore how she navigates such a male dominated industry that is VC, and how she hopes her kids grow up to believe they can belong anywhere.
Christie is actually an investor in the company that makes this podcast, A Kids Co. So that kind of makes Christie my boss. Honestly, after this interview, I couldn't think of a better boss to have.
All right, Christy Pitts. Let's get into it.
[INTERVIEW]
Jelani: Christie Pitts, welcome to Better Grownups.
Christie: Hi, thank you. I'm so excited to be here.
Jelani: Uh, so you're a venture capitalist. You're a mom. Uh, uh, tell us, tell us your story.
Christie: Okay. So I am a venture capitalist. I'm an investor at a venture firm called Backstage Capital. We have invested in A Kids Co. So yes, thank you for letting us be part of your journey.
Yeah. Um, and 199 other companies led by winning people of color and LGBTQ founders and really our position is that, um, just because a founder is underestimated doesn't mean that there's, um, that, that is you a negative indication in any way, shape or form. But really it's an opportunity to generate incredible financial return.
And so that's what we're doing. We're raising money, investing, raising capital, and investing that capital into incredible founders like you.
Jelani: Oh, that's wonderful. So we, before we started, I, I just told you, like, I just wanna like, just dive right into like working apart the patriarchy and the imbalance of what's expected of men and women when they're parents in the workplace. And so I just kind of want to just get like right into it.
You are in a heavily male dominated field, that is venture capital. Sort of classically the right, the Patagonia-vested, San Francisco-living, Silicon valley, like VC, right? Who just like drinks, coffee all day and meets with founders and cuts, like, you know, the 300 million checks, um, to other white male founders who went to Stanford.
Like it's just, the tropes are like, you know, uh, yeah, well, one, the tropes are, are a, a lot true, but you know, you're how do you, how are you navigating it? How did you get into it? Um, mm-hmm uh, what do people get wrong about VC and, and why when we see these tropes, are, are you not the face that we see when we think of VC?
Christie: Okay. So the last question, why am I not the face of VC? Let's change that.
But also, like, I should also say, as a white woman, I shouldn't be the face of VC.
So I think that, um, the tropes exist for a reason.
Like you said, a majority of VCs went to two schools, Harvard and Stanford. 92%. It's either 91 or 92% of check writing partners, uh, at VC firms are men and the majority of those are white men and they invest in white men. So, um, you know, I got into VC through an untraditional path, which I think you have to do if you are um, if you don't fit that archetype. Yeah. I didn't go to Harvard or Stanford. In fact, I'm a proud graduate of the University of Phoenix. And I think the only person in venture capital that went to University of Phoenix. So if there any other Phoenix Rising alum, please let me know.
But actually it's, um, kind of a cool story. So I worked at, um, Verizon for 13 years. I started as a, um, part-time customer service rep in a store because I was stud- I was at a state school doing my undergrad, I couldn't afford my cell phone bill and I needed a discount . And so I started there and I left through the Verizon ventures team where we were deploying a hundred million dollars a year into companies that were strategic to Verizon's key interests.
And I was, so my timing could not have been better. I was so lucky and I worked so hard while there, and I had, you know, I worked my way up into an executive position, overseeing marketing and sales ops for a 4 billion dollar P and L. And that's what led me into, uh, making investments or being on the Verizon ventures team.
And then from Verizon, I came over and joined Backstage. Joined Arlan as her partner.
Jelani: Mm. And how have you found, how have you found one? I think navigating on the, the founder side of things, like, um, is it, is it refreshing when founders run into you and they go, “Oh, finally, like somebody who, who looks like me or understands me. Or…”
Isn't that same trope uh, is it, does it, is it meaningful? Does it matter?
Christie: Yes, but I would say it's more infuriating. Um, for me, at least. It's it's fuel that keeps me going because the founder journey is such a lonely one, but especially when you're fundraising, it's very lonely. Because it's just you usually. Even if you have a co-founder or you're still, the CEO is usually the one that's leading the fundraising efforts. And I think, especially in venture or at least I know venture I'm in this industry, um, it's you and one other investor.
And so you might hear over and over and over again, the same poor dumb questions and have to answer them over and over again. And the problem with that, the problem with systemic, um, oppression really is what this is, is that it, the system makes you think the problem is with you when the problem is really with the system.
So as a founder, it feels like I'm the problem. I'm not doing it right. Something's wrong with my deck. I'm not ambitious enough. I'm too ambitious. You know, you get all this feedback, it's conflicting feedback.
And so then I talk to the founder and the founder's like, “Wow, you get it. You get my business.” And what's infuriating about that is that I shouldn't be the only one.
It shouldn't be so hard to have that validating conversation to get an investor on your side that believes in you and is willing to take a leap with you so that you can build. Hmm.
Jelani: So you're a rockstar investor. And I think if you were on any other podcast, the question you could ask at this point is like, “How do you do it as a mom? How do you balance it all? How do you, how do you do the work life balance?”
What I, what I really want you to talk about is what are the roadblocks? What are the presupposition? What are the biases that you run into, have run into, continue to run into as a mom who works?
Christie: Yeah, I think. So, I'm in a very privileged position to be just, you know, for example, have a nanny. Right. And so, um, just having a nanny first and foremost, it's expensive and, um, and a lot of people can't afford it or don't have access to do that.
So I just wanna highlight that, but also say that I have really experienced a lot of what is, um, the bleak nature of being a mom in the workforce in this country specifically, in that you are held to an impossible standard.
Society, as moms, expects moms to be, um, to sacrifice ourselves and to be selfless for our children. And as an extension of that, we're supposed to sacrifice ourselves and be selfless for our husbands in our homes or our partners in our homes. And we are also supposed to be ambitious, working people who are achieving in our careers. And, um, there's so much just internal dialogue that is oppressive when it comes to this.
And it starts even before it starts, even before you get pregnant. Like when, before I had my son, I got asked on a regular whether or not I had kids and when I was having kids. And my husband was almost never asked that question. And then once you are pregnant, strangers make decisions for you without talking to you about it. Like for example, the barista at the coffee shop serves you decaf coffee, because they think that you're not supposed to be able to have caffeine. Your autonomy becomes limited as soon as it's, um, clearly people understand that you're pregnant.
And now, in the US, it goes even beyond that. And it has gone beyond that unfortunately in that women are not even allowed or pregnant people are not allowed to exercise their autonomy over their body.
And that's, that's been known. It's known now because of the Dobbs decision, but it's been the case for so many people who haven't had access to safe, um, safe, abortion care and safe reproductive care.
So, it's a dumpster fire.
[BREAK]
Jelani: We’re back. You’re listening to Better Grownups, and my conversation with Christie Pitts.
Christie: I have to say that if parenting and motherhood has taught me anything, it is that, um, control is an illusion.
And I learned that from a very physical place, because with my pregnancies, I had a condition called hyperemesis gravidarum, which is essentially extreme morning sickness. And I between the two kids, I've thrown up a total of 40 weeks. And it's like an extreme and debilitating chronic, terrible illness.
And like, uh, so basically I am really leaning into the fact that this is a role of the dice. Like I'm gonna have these conversations with the kids. We're gonna do some things differently than were done with me when I was growing up. And that I saw it done growing up and we'll see what happens, but they are their own people.
And hopefully, um, you know, hopefully there'll be people that I'm proud of and people that I'm proud to know when they're adults. And I'm laying that foundation now we'll see what happens.
Jelani: Yeah. I mean, the work of a parent is so hard and I think that's, it's wise this sort of idea of like, you know, the illusion of the control is like, you're not in control of anything. You just are sort of there to try and help and nudge along.
And there's, I think there's a freedom in that to go, “I don't actually get to decide who my kids become, they are their own people, but I get to help them become maybe what they can become. And I can also get the hell out of the way to make sure I don't hamper that development and that growth.”
And, you know, that's in contrast in some ways to what society will want to tell them to be, right? Or the way they should act or where they belong or where they don't belong.
I'm curious as you think about your kids getting older, cuz both of your kids are pretty young mm-hmm does that scare you a little bit to sort of try and help them carve out those spaces to make sure that they feel like they belong?
Christie: You know, it does scare me a little bit, but it also, for me, feels that it's part of this kind of like stew of humanity. And that they are loved unconditionally at home. They will always belong at home. Right?
And so they can lean, like they can walk out into the world knowing that they have that love and support from me, from their father, from the other family members that are in their lives, they will always belong here.
So then from there, it's about, hopefully, that they can, you know, lean into that, um, sense of identity of knowing who they are so that they find places where they have belonging.
But it's really like, they're so young right now. It's hard to know what that's going to be. Yeah. I mean, they're, they're one and two.
So is it, is it an interest that they have? Is it some, you know right now, like I don't. Like my daughter's learning how to walk. Like it's so their personality, like I know she has one. I see it, but it's, we don't communicate with words yet, so I'm not sure.
Jelani: Mm. Well, it, it sounds like, and, and one of the things you brought up before we started chatting was you just got this remarkable support system. And I think that's one of the things that overlooked when it comes to, especially being a mom who works is all of the people around that mom who allow her to do a wonderful job, as well as the folks around, um, you know, dads mm-hmm. Can you just talk more about that support system and why it's so important?
Christie: Yes. So I mentioned already that we have a nanny. My husband is a super involved father and he is contributes in our household in a significant way. Um, my parents are living with us part-time so they also, as adults, like contribute, for example, like my dad loves to cook.
So tonight for dinner, we're having, um, he made pesto from basil that he grew himself and we're having like pesto pasta for dinner tonight. And he's gonna do that, all that work of, of cooking. Yeah. Um, but I think like, I have to say, like…
I'm just gonna be really transparent and real with, so my daughter's gonna be a year, um, in, in just a few weeks. And I've had postpartum depression since she was born. And part of that is just the legis, like the amount of work and logistics of maintaining a household while also trying to, to like maintain your sanity and your job is, is overwhelming. And I was overwhelmed this year mm-hmm and it was really not until my husband, my mom.
And my partners at work Arlin and Britney came to me, all of them came to me and said, like, we're seeing something with you. And I was in this dark place. Yeah. And I was able to come out of that. I have health insurance. I was able to get treatment for it. But a big part of that has just been recognizing that I need help.
I have to ask for help and I have to, um, allow space for things for me not to be in control. Like this whole concept of “control is an illusion”, like with the kids also, like I'm not controlling dinner tonight. like, I have to op I have to create that. And except that, um, it's a fallacy, it's a lie that I should have ever put myself in that position in the first place.
And to be a successful, be successful at work or to be a good mom is not to do everything, because it's impossible to do everything.
Jelani: What I feel like what happens is, is it's not only you, who has that belief about yourself, but everybody's colluding with you to sort of go, “Well, you got this, right?” Like you can, you can have it all and you can balance it all.
And, and, and surely like you should be able to juggle all these things cuz this. I don't know what the word is for it, but it, it almost seems baked into the system of how we think about parenthood. Is we just, we just view moms as default in that position.
And from what I hear you saying is that it's incredibly destructive, uh, to, to the life of the mom, because it's an impossible bar to meet.
Christie: And then you're always failing.
And I. Uh, if I could, um, distill this, I see it, the best example is with breastfeeding.
So many people really feel this pressure to breastfeed and breastfeeding is a lot of work it's physically demanding and your body may or may not produce enough for your child. And if your body doesn't produce enough, there's no one that can be blamed. But, um, you know, breastfeeding and chest feeding, people will blame themselves.
And, um, you know, I was just like, I just randomly met somebody at the park last week and was like, oh, did you breastfeed? And she was like tearing up because she couldn't do that. And she felt like her body, her body was like, she should have been able to, but where did that shit come from? Yeah.
It's, it's like my life's work. I feel like in part is for us to question where do these things come from and who do they benefit? Yeah. Who benefits from that you should give your body 40 hours a week for a year or more of your child's life to provide them with sustenance, because then what is your time worth? What is 40 hours a week of your time worth?
I mean, if you really start to dig into these things and what is the value then to the child? Is there really scientific evidence that shows that it's better for them? is it really, really? Like if you go look at studies, is it really better than formula and a well rested mom?
I'll tell you my kids, I breastfed and gave them both formula from the day they were in the hospital. They got both and I'm still nursing my daughter, but it's, these kinds of things are just like microcosms of the expectations that we put on women. And they, these expectations are having a really destructive effect on them.
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Jelani: It’s Better Grownups, a parenting podcast all about how to be a better grownup. And you’re listening to my conversation with Christie Pitts.
Jelani: Yeah. You know, I, I find it actually in my, in my, everyday, in my everyday life. I'm consistently praised as a dad for having six kids, this amazing blended family. Like people will go, oh my gosh, that's so incredible. But they'll just say that's incredible Jelani. How do you do it? That's that's amazing.
And they'll tell my wife, like, literally, like, “What's wrong with you? Like, why would you do that? Why would you do that to yourself? Like, are, is there something wrong??
Christie: So like you get to enjoy it. And she is like…
Jelani: I, I get praised. Like I am super dad. And it it's, it's perceived as some like literal, like something's wrong with my wife for having chosen that. Like, are we trying to build a compound of kids?
And it's, it's the same people who offer that different perspective. And it's really about how that reflects back on me as a dad and the fact that I just like let that many kids be in my life. And how it reflects on her, of going well, there's no way you can manage all those kids because they're totally your responsibility and the unfairness of that, the sort of maliciousness of that.
I just like, I find myself often wanting to call it out because it's so imbalanced and it's so well-meaning, and that even makes it, it just makes it come off even worse because it's such an unconscious perspective on what the role of my job is as a father and what her role is as a mother.
Christie: Mm. A hundred percent.
That's a great example. And I think like, um, even if you think there's, yeah, it's just so much has, um, developed even in our society.
So like I'm looking, you know, my cousin has kids and her kids are in elementary school and they do these crazy things, like a hundred day celebration. What is that? Like you go to school for a hundred days, and now we a party, like, what is that? And why do the kids have to have a special outfit for it? And who bought that outfit? And who's shopping for the next week when it's like spirit week or whatever.
Like, it's on the moms for the most part and it's never, it's like this avalanche that's never ending like as an, and it's getting worse. Yeah. That's, what's really, um, really like in, I just saw this news last week that there's companies that are dropping their parental leave. Their paid parental leave. They're reducing the number of weeks that they're providing. Oh.
And there's now people in, in states like, um, Texas and Oklahoma who cannot access abortion when they need it. And that, the thing about this is that when you focus, it's like when you focus again, there's a parallel with what I do for work. Yeah, which is like when women and people of color can't access capital, well, who are women married to? Men and other women. Who's having an abortion 60% of the time, people who already have kids. And those children may be girls or boys.
This affects all of us in society. I love that you recognize the different messages that you and your partner get about your blended family. Yeah. Because in a way you're benefiting because you're getting praised, but you are also being negatively impacted by the fact that that's your partner and she gets those negative messages, right?
Jelani: Yeah. Well, let's like, let's like, keep it super real. Once upon a time I had this belief, cuz my wife is like, “You don't understand Jelani, I have to like, think about my work and everything that's happening at home. And all those things are sitting on my mind all the time.”
And I just thought, “Oh, well, that's just, that's just you that's that's, that's how you feel and think about it. I'm just compartmentalizing and I'm not, and I, it's not that I care less about those things. I just, I just like turn off that part of my brain. And then when I'm, I'm engaged back at home, I'm like, oh, I'm, oh, here's the things that need to get done.”
And what I, what I actually really realized through enough sort of like you know, but pressure campaign for my wife to go, like, “You should really investigate that thought”, is, is that, it's just that gender bias of what's expected of who? And for me, it was like, oh, well, I don't really have to think about it.
Like, what's happening for dinner? I don't know. We'll just figure it out. And it's like, my wife knows, well, yeah, I bought food a week ago. So that you can just figure it out. You know what I mean?
Christie: Yes. Yes, exactly.
Jelani: And, and, and I think it is like going like, oh, like I've gotten in this groove and then you start telling yourself all sorts of things like, oh, well I'm the breadwinner.
And so it's really like, we couldn't afford this lifestyle unless I, and you start building up these justifications and then ultimately just comes back to going back to either, we're gonna share an equal load, genuinely mental, physical, emotional load when it comes to this household and this family, or, or I'm gonna be that jerk dude, that just goes, that's your job.
You know, like, let me, let me do the thing that I'm supposed to do as a dad. Like, you know, get off my back and, and even still, I think that those defaults, they're challenging not to fall back into because of society, because of those unconscious bias because of the gender imbalance because of what's expected of the different roles within a household.
Christie: I mean like, uh, yeah, you're a hundred percent, right. And it is an, I think the thing is that it's dynamic. So having, at least having the conversation puts you a far in the upper echelon, because you're recognizing that this, that there's this imbalance. Yeah, but then the mental load shifts.
So like right now my kids don't go to school. We have a nanny, my kids are really little, but they're gonna go to school. And when they go, um, I heard a rumor that they're gonna have to eat lunch. So like, allegedly, they're gonna wanna get fed every day. Somebody told me that. So, um, who's gonna pack it. Who's gonna pack lunch? Who's gonna make sure that it's a clean, um, like they are taking lunch in a clean thing like a lunchbox? Who's gonna source those, that thin? What about if other kids in our class have allergies? Who's gonna do all of that thought? And it's a daily thing, right. And then like, you know, maybe one of them will do an extracurricular and then that comes with its own gear and the kid has to get there and then they have to get picked up and all of the things and orchestrating it is, is work.
And you can choose to be blind to that, but then you're choosing to be blind to what your partner is, the reality, your partner lives. And I think that that is destructive to the relationship in long term.
Jelani: Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and you're using the operative word partner who lets their partner just like do all the work and then takes credit for it.
Like that's, that's just fundamentally wrong. And, and, and what I've learned on my journey of not just being a husband, but a father is. Learning how to do better, be better. Right? This is like the title of the podcast better grownups is like, I actually need to be getting better at this because I can't just default just assume like, I'm good at this.
And I'm just like crushing it. Um, especially when the people around me are going, you're not crushing it actually Jelani, like you, you could be doing a better job. Right. Um, and, and, and especially. You know, like, uh, my wife never wants to take out the trash and like, I'm totally cool to do that.
She also never wants to do the dishes and it took me a while to just go like, oh, I should just do the dishes. Like I should just, I should just own that part of it, cuz I have no problem with doing the dishes, but I also need to understand like when she wants the dishes done and needs them done is different than when my brain does cuz she's also thinking in advance of all these…
So just owning that mental load a little bit looked like she still shoulders so much of it, but mm-hmm, trying to embrace that so that when our kids need to get somewhere, they gotta go do a school thing. They got soccer, practice, get cleats, like that sort of stuff, which we literally have to do today is to be like, “Oh, I got that. Like I got that thing. You don't have to worry about that.” I can, I can think through all the steps required for that.
And then what I find more often than not, especially in our household is. Is is making sure that my wife knows that I'm thinking enough in advance that I got something so that she doesn't have to worry about it, otherwise she'll worry about it and she'll go ahead.
Do that thing get done. And I was like, “Oh yeah, I, I forgot about that.” It's like, so she's, she's like getting signaled, like I must still think about this. Otherwise my other husband will drop the ball in it. Right. Yeah. Um, look, I mean,
Christie: And that's so hard because like, the thing is like, if she reminded you, right.
And so then you did it. And then so it's like this like feedback loop of like, oh, I had to remind him. And so, but then when I reminded him and did it, and the problem is like, at least just speaking for myself. I also make mistakes. I might've forgotten too sure.
But it's easier. Is it easier for me to forgive myself for a mistake than it is to blame my partner?
You know, like this is where sure. It really gets deep because it's like at the end of the, at the end of it, when your kids are grown and outta the house, like, do you want, do you want your partner to still like you?
Jelani: Yeah. Yeah.
Christie: And if so, if you're allowing them to shoulder this load and you're refusing to see what they're doing.
You that's the root cause, but there's gonna be symptoms that are popping up your relationship of they're overwhelm and they're, um, and the, the challenges that they're having, but if you're allowing yourself to remain blind to it, then you have to accept the ramifications of that in the future. Right?
Jelani: 100%.
And I just, I just wanna like put, put like a, a pin in like why this happens, these gender imbalances, like has everything to do with patriarchy. Has everything to do with misogyny. Has everything to do with the oppression of women's thoughts, feelings, ideas.
Like, it's not this isn't quaint or cute, or like, oh, isn't it funny that, you know, like these things are, they're actually really fundamentally serious and the impacts ,they ripple out in really dramatic ways.
And, and I think one of the reasons why I care so deeply about investigating and navigating and doing better in these things is like, my kids are watching, they're watching all this stuff. And they're deciding their place in the world and where they belong based on how my wife and I do life and what we permit the other to do or do not permit based on what our preconceived sort of gender notions are of what should happen in a household or relationship. And, and quite frankly, that, that scares me to death. Right?
I hope my kids grow up into fully formed adults and go like, Hey, that was messed up. And I go like, oh yeah, that was messed up. Like mm-hmm . I want them to recognize that as opposed to adopting. And then sort of re-traumatizing for the next generation and the next generation mm-hmm.
Christie: Yeah, I mean, I think at some point it's like the straw that broke the camel's back and that's where women are right now in this country.
And I think that, um, something that I I'm just learning about, but I'm not, um, I haven't learned a lot about yet is it's happening. This is this catalytic thing that's happening with moms and with women is happening on both sides of the aisle.
And so, um, you know, I think we're really in another movement it's early days and another movement for women's liberation and, um, there's going to be change, but I like. It's just like, I can't even summarize my position on this cause I'm still, it's still so nascent for me.
But I just feel like there's, there's clearly changed. There's so many of us that are fed up and we're not gonna take it, but we're also exhausted by the patriarchy. We don't have time. We're staying up all night with our kids and then we're working all day at our jobs and then we're trying to like, get it done and then it's bedtime and then we're exhausted.
We fall into bed. And so I, sometimes I feel. I felt like patriarchy exists because of the physical demands of pregnancy. That was my, that was my initial theory. When I went through a hyperemesis, I was like, oh, this is why they're where you live in a patriarchal society. Because if half of the population is pregnant for like 15 years at a time, then of course they're gonna be taken out of the decision making because they, they can't physically participate because they're like physically held back. Right?
And now I think, in part, um, these systems, the, the pressure and expectations on moms, um, contribute because moms are too exhausted to stand up and say no and change. Yeah. And, but now I think we have to, and there's a growing coalition of us that are, and it's happening on both sides. So we'll see what comes next because, um, there are a lot of parallels with other political systems in our country that like moms represent that too.
Jelani: Well, I, I hope you're right. And, and look, it'll be rad when that change comes and, um, I'll, I'll throw my hand up in the air and go, I I'm just as complicit as anybody and upholding those systems and, you know, growing up with a single mom, I hope those systems change, um, because, um, because we all need them and especially moms do.
Christie, I could talk to you for forever about this. This is so good. We just keep diving into it. Thank you so much for being on the show.
Christie: Yeah. Thank you for having me. I love it.
Jelani: Awesome.
[CLOSING]
Jelani: Thanks again to Christie and to you for listening. You can check out Christie's interview series, Moms at Work, on LinkedIn. Take a look at the show notes for a link. And you can find Backstage Capital and the amazing companies Christie invests in backstagecapital.com.
And you can find Christie at @ImChristiePitts on Twitter.
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Better Grownups is written and hosted by me, Jelani Memory. Matthew Winner, the one and only, was the producer on this episode, with additional production support from Chad Michael Snavely and the team at Sound On Studios.
Better Grownups is hosted by me, Jelani Memory. Matthew Winner was the producer on this episode, with additional production support from Chad Michael Snavely and the team at Sound On Studios.
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